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Losmi1991
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-05-06 05:25 PM EDT (US)         
Hy,guys!
I'm starting this topic so that we could discuss the pros and cons of Broken World.So,be my guests and open your hearts.Let's hear what YOU think about the expansion.Is it as exciting as the original,less mysterious,more difficult???You tell me and I'll tell YOU.

Magrum Erupto
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Vistira
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-06-06 10:55 AM EDT (US)     1 / 21       
Pro: You aren't left thinking, "That git tricked me, I want to kill him!" Because, just to keep this thread from spoiling the ending, you kill someone along the lines of the Overmage.
Pro: Most people who hate you die, like the armourer who offers you junk, but the weaponsmith doesn't!

Con: I can't think of any!

Cobra the Mediocre
Dungeoneerer
(id: The_Cobra_81)
posted 10-06-06 01:12 PM EDT (US)     2 / 21       
Here's a short list. I may add more later.

Pro: Yes, it is true that BW wraps up the story nicely. Still some plot holes, though. What happened to the Shield of Azunai? That's kind of important, seeing as you spent all DS2 getting it reforged.

Pro: Got a little bit harder. Elite still just isn't as elite as I'd like it to be, but at least it's not some joke. Strategy becomes more important, and the map is more appropriately rebalanced. Monsters now can use powers and special abilities.

Pro: Neat new weapons and armor, and the new classes make gameplay more interesting, especially for solo players. And who doesn't love dwarves?

Pro: New crafting system becomes more like what it should be, and recipes are a fine addition.

Pro: More autocast slots! Yay!

Con: Still too easy on Elite and Veteran.

Con: No chants on the BW map, meaning if you start with a premade party you run into difficulties. ??? also still pops up, and I'm unsure if you can use the stone he drops like in DS2.

Con: No skill point rewards. Also, no interesting rewards from the arena quest like the Light Naiad.

Con: Inn, enchanter, and several other useful things can't be found in any town but the Dryad Outpost. That's realistic, but kind of irritating.

Con: Nerfed items, skills, et cetera. Superpowered Elemental Rage no longer works, though I suppose that's for the best. Absorption also takes a hit.

Con: What happened to that Shield!?


Cobra the Mediocre
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Losmi1991
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-08-06 12:15 PM EDT (US)     3 / 21       
That's what I was thinking.What happened to the Shield?Hey you GPG guys!!!What happened to the Shield?
Also,the original had much more secrets than BW like The Mysterious quest or Arinth the Mad.Everything was so,"connected".

This is what I think:GPG+Microsoft Games=
GPG+2K Games=:/


Magrum Erupto
Sharkull
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-11-06 01:23 AM EDT (US)     4 / 21       
My impressions: http://www.siegetheday.org/?q=node/1

“Truth is hard to sell; it gives no sense of purpose. It is simply truth.” (Terry Goodkind)

http://www.siegetheday.org/

Losmi1991
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-11-06 03:51 AM EDT (US)     5 / 21       
That's a realy...detailed description you got there.But,did you ask yourself what hapened to the Shield?I can't get that question out of my head!

Also,I think they could have put a better easter egg in the game.That paper bag is junk.It's not even funny.It's sad.That bag shows the lack of imagination used to create secrets in this game.The secrets in DS II are -insert impression here- comparing to the ones in BW.

On the other hand,they left out the Shield so that they can have grounds for making another expansion or even a new game which continues from BW.


Magrum Erupto
Cobra the Mediocre
Dungeoneerer
(id: The_Cobra_81)
posted 10-11-06 01:22 PM EDT (US)     6 / 21       
The paper bag isn't junk. It's possibly the funniest inside joke they could have put into the game. See my post and centime's post below it in this thread for some explanation.

A good review, Sharkull. One of the things I forgot to mention in the earlier post was that BW kind of built off of the original. For example, in the original, after you're "cured" from the plague, the dryads tell you that if you run into trouble in a fight, retreat and they've got your back. In BW, the dryads tell you if you're in trouble, they'll leave you for dead (or worse). That sort of dynamic makes one actually want to talk to NPCs.

But... what happened to the shield!?


Cobra the Mediocre
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Losmi1991
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-11-06 04:46 PM EDT (US)     7 / 21       
I guess you're right.I was just hopping for a good easter egg in this game.I mean when I first found the Bucket I laughed so hard that my cheeks hurt.
I also heard Drevin saying(when you kill him in the Mysterious Cave):"Hey,what do say that you and me go around the corner and meditate on my medallion?".Now that's funny!

Magrum Erupto
Aletys
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-13-06 11:34 AM EDT (US)     8 / 21       
I haven't tried running DS2 from the expansion pack, just went straight into BW, converting my DS2 party (90+ characters). I'm running in Elite.

Pros:
-The game play is challenging & story line interesting with lots of primary & secondary quests
-The options allow you to go go back to the DS1 style of fighting (auto engage), which for those of us with carpal tunnel is a _big_ plus. I had to significantly limit my playing time & take long breaks between sessions (as in days) during DS2, so as to keep it from acting up.
-The Inn actually works right. I haven't lost any NPCs so far, nor had to go through elaborate work-arounds to get them back.

Cons:
-The auto engage turns off auto casting, & you have to go into the options menu to switch it (I preferred the DS1 approach of being able to toggle it during game play)
-I guess the one big con for me so far is that, with just a couple of very minor exceptions, I haven't found anything in the shops or drops worth even looking at (& I'm in Part 2). Its all pretty wimpy, & I just end up selling it off or feeding it to my "storage mule" to grow it up. The the equipment that I had picked up in DS2 is far better than anything in BW so far, which is pretty disappointing. I'm accumulating gold at a tremendous rate, but then I have nothing to spend it on. Am I missing something?

Cobra the Mediocre
Dungeoneerer
(id: The_Cobra_81)
posted 10-13-06 02:38 PM EDT (US)     9 / 21       
Not really. Items in BW seem to be subpar. However, this, I feel, is balanced by that guy outside the Dryad Outpost who sells all enchantables and reagents. It's kind of a nudge to make your own stuff, I guess. It reminds me a bit of DS1/LoA, where the Utraean Peninsula would seemingly give you good XP and poor loot, while the LoA map would give you less XP but better items.

I thought DS2 also had auto-engage, although I never used it so I'm sure no expert.

And, seeing how you registered yesterday, welcome!

But... what happened to the shield?! I ought to just add it to my signature.


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lordrevansith
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-13-06 03:01 PM EDT (US)     10 / 21       
WHen i saw this link, i was hoping to be the first one to say it. but i have to anyway
WUT HAPPENED TO THE SHIELD????
as soon as those crystals fell from the ceiling i started taking screenshots, can someone tell me how to like put those on a post reply?
i was like, ok, so no more cataclysms. but then on that line of though i was like wait a minute, whered this ****er hide the shield? since he takes it at the end, and says, NOW MY DESTINY IS STARTING, MWAHAHAHA, i thought there would be some big shield thingamajig in the next game, but no. Also, did anyone notice a green dot (ally) in the middle of overmages chamber? wut could it be? i ran my mouse over the center, but found nothing.
also, i heard someone talking about finding characters in bw, i wound absolutely no char. except ressa/yoren.
For ex. i heard someone say "amren is kinda tricky hes on a hill outside amanlu" what does that mean?
con: reagent recipes for better weapons=cool, but since the ppl selling reagents dont really sell any of the ones u need, i found myself having inventories full of reagents. i ended up selling them all.
con: did anyone find all the recipes? i make a point of getting all quest items, quests finished, all books collected. how are u supposed to get all the recipes?
pro: Zaramoths super powers were absolutley awesome. gravity stone and then the circle orange fighter power thingy, circle of explosions and then about 8 or 9 gathered bolts, all these things had me stunned. and there i was thinking that it was gonna be just another arrana boss battle(really powerfull magic but sooooo slow u never get hit)
phew. a lot to say, but im glad it did tie up the whole storyline, no evil person escaped. and lived to tell the tale of zaramoth dying.
the great leader, however, was so obvious that it was overmage that i like gaged it could be so simple. and DUH the pillar in the dryad camp was no good!
Losmi1991
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-13-06 04:15 PM EDT (US)     11 / 21       
WHERE'S THE SHIELD????????????????????????????
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Magrum Erupto
Cobra the Mediocre
Dungeoneerer
(id: The_Cobra_81)
posted 10-13-06 06:10 PM EDT (US)     12 / 21       
It's not Amren that's sitting outside Aman'lu. It's another elf that was in DS2 that's an old friend of yours. Hint: He's also the one interested in Celeb'hel's Soulstone. Yeah, I won't spoil it. If you do all the sidequests and prevent him from killing himself, you can have him join.

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Losmi1991
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-13-06 07:36 PM EDT (US)     13 / 21       

Quoted from Cobra:

Hint: He's also the one interested in Celeb'hel's Soulstone. Yeah, I won't spoil it. If you do all the sidequests and prevent him from killing himself, you can have him join

Don't tell him that! 8)


Magrum Erupto
Aletys
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-15-06 10:37 AM EDT (US)     14 / 21       
Thank you! Actually, you're right, I went back & checked. The auto engage was there, & somehow I managed to play thru all 3 levels of DS2 & never once noticed it.

However, as far as as the loot & shops, I've never managed to make anything w/ reagents that was worth anything, with or without recipes, & the treasure hunting aspect of the game was part of the fun for me in previous versions. I'm starting into Cinbri, & I've only found 2 or 3 of the BW set items, & don't even have one complete set.

I never thought that the loot in DSLOA was all that bad, it was still fun to find. In BW it's really worthless. Even the hireable NPC's seem to start with better stuff than is in the shops, so that takes alot of the enjoyment out of it. Oh, well.

MichaelBruck
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-17-06 08:14 PM EDT (US)     15 / 21       
Hi i am currently waiting for tech support and I was wondering, how does this "sieglets" thing work exactly?
Cobra the Mediocre
Dungeoneerer
(id: The_Cobra_81)
posted 10-17-06 10:50 PM EDT (US)     16 / 21       
Well... they're sort of fan-made expansion packs. They're files that add new items, characters, game mechanics, maps, abilities, or anything else you see in DS2/BW. The best are "total conversion," that is, it's like playing a whole new game using the same game engine. Unfortunately, there are none of these for DS2... yet. Someone has to make them.

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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lordrevansith
Dungeoneerer
posted 10-27-06 10:13 PM EDT (US)     17 / 21       
Of course i know who the ! uhh... "friend" is but hes in a valley, and im sure i say amren is on a hill. but ive completed celebhel soulstone. accidently killed the dude, so i never new he could join. maybe ill get him l8r.
fionafistofstone
Dungeoneerer
posted 11-05-06 06:41 PM EDT (US)     18 / 21       
> Of course i know who the ! uhh... "friend" is but hes in a valley, and im sure i say amren is on a hill.<

I think I know what you're talking about. If you start with a premade character (my husband did), you can recruit Amren in the Dryad village, and he is sitting on a hill.

On my impressions:

Cons: Am not thrilled with the armor cutback at all. I imported a character that was three levels below all the monsters on Veteran, and it was really hard to have my party survive, especially at first. Can't find any new armor that has a decent rating (Vet armor you find has similar ratings to what you'd find ordinarily in Merc, but with much higher level requirements to use it), and the recipes are pretty useless. The Elves are pretty dang depressing, and the lack of gratitude sometimes is a little wearing as you complete quests.

Pros: The monsters are interesting, and there is a LOT more challenge in fighting them. The environment is beautiful. I'm quite fond of all of the characters in my party, and the voice talent this time around is much better, as is the character development. Boss battles require a lot of strategy AND patience. You really feel like you've accomplished something when you've won. Am digging the little plot twists here and there...

Interesting that there's nothing about the Shield-- I figured I'd see something in the final battle with the Overmage (not quite there yet).

NeutronHInc
Dungeoneerer
posted 11-23-06 10:00 PM EDT (US)     19 / 21       
I'm new here, but I'll give my thoughts anyway...

Pros:
- Awesome new enemies to kill. I love the bound creatures. My favorite is a bound Human that looks like he's in a freakin strait jacket, awesome.
- New race, Dwarves are cool!
- Some nice new powers.
- Picking up the story where DS2 left off.
- Nice new insane light puzzle, took me the better part of a day to get the last one completed. I liked that!
- AWESOME NEW LEVEL! I just LOVED the areas of the Surgeons, I love violence/gore/mutilated bodies everywhere! I'm sick and twisted and love games that bring that kinda thing to the table!

Cons:
- "Crap, Crap, and more Crap! When will I get something WORTH using!?" Is all that was in my head when finding items and the reagent recipes. After finding the COMPLETE Undying Warlord set and a couple of kicka** unique swords in DS2 Vet, everything in BW is crap when put side by side with my stuff, even enchanted weapons/armor/etc...
- Enemy difficulty is laughable, on Merc, Vet, and Elite! My solo half-giant duel sword user made short work of everything except the Overmage(which took forever because of some of his abilities). Even the Melee resistant enemies were killed within five hits.
- New powers of BA are crap! Being a melee fighter, I had no use of them. The Stone powers, could have been a lot better. One, the first power only lasted 12 seconds, too short, should be at least 60! Eruption took too long to "fire" giving the enemies the chance to take my health down too far.
- WHERE IS THE SHIELD!!!??? WHAT HAPPENED TO IT!!!???
- Was hoping to find that the story line was something like...
"Some evil dude has managed to reforge the Sword! You must track down the Dark Wizard and get the shield back to battle this guy!"
...But no, just the Dark Wizard(Overmage, whatever he wants to call himself now) is up to something and you gotta stop him.
- TOO Short! LoA was longer by at least six hours!
- Con of both DS2 and BW, no multi-player world like LoA!
- NO GOBOTS! I loved those guys, I miss them and their Dragon Miniguns!

In my honest opinion, they could have done a lot better with BW. Also, for me, it has NO replay value. I'm going to go back to StarCraft and Diablo! LOL

KillerGremal DS2
Dungeoneerer
posted 11-24-06 10:05 AM EDT (US)     20 / 21       

Quote:

Cons:
- "Crap, Crap, and more Crap! When will I get something WORTH using!?" Is all that was in my head when finding items and the reagent recipes. After finding the COMPLETE Undying Warlord set and a couple of kicka** unique swords in DS2 Vet, everything in BW is crap when put side by side with my stuff, even enchanted weapons/armor/etc...
- Enemy difficulty is laughable, on Merc, Vet, and Elite! My solo half-giant duel sword user made short work of everything except the Overmage(which took forever because of some of his abilities). Even the Melee resistant enemies were killed within five hits.
- . . .


These points is also a matter of the fact that you were able to find the complete set and du to the rather high (set) bonuses it has.
I mean, how to expect better items or a better set if you already have the best!??

Moreover the way people experience how easy/difficult DS2/BW is also massively depends on how many levels they are above the monster levels.
As comparison you could take once a pre-made char and BW will be much harder, at least initially.

.

This shell be no excuse now, as passionate former Diablo II gamer i think the possibilities to find good equipment are rather high in DS2 and the monsters still have a weak AI making them easy opponents (well, in BW there are some small progresses compared to original DS2).

Thus me too i'm not really happy with DS2(BW) - but at least i got the shield.


fionafistofstone
Dungeoneerer
posted 11-28-06 01:09 AM EDT (US)     21 / 21       

Quote:

Thus me too i'm not really happy with DS2(BW) - but at least i got the shield.

How did you get the Shield? Is it a mod?

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